Curse

BBoy_Manchild · Oct 18, 2005, 05:51 AM // 05:51

after fear me got nerfed its close to useless, garbage

smurfhunter · Oct 18, 2005, 06:07 AM // 06:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharpsight

4-5 pips isn't that much.

At 4 adrenaline it's 4 second recast (assuming it's being spammed with 33% ias); 3 energy per target at max (discounting sup runes or w/e); One pip is .33 energy per second. So assuming two people are hit with each fear me, that's 6 energy every 4 seconds = 1.5 energy per second, or ~4.33 pips.

Unless my math is wrong, that's quite reasonable.

nonono you messed up, you have to assume you hit ONE person, i dont care about the *total* pip degen, heck thats like saying panic will do a degen of like 6 pips if it hits 3 people.

w/e its still a good skill, 97 pips or not

Pharalon · Oct 18, 2005, 07:08 AM // 07:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by BBoy_Manchild

after fear me got nerfed its close to useless, garbage

How does a 25% reduction in range make it useless? Not godly like it use to be, but still does the job very well.

BBoy_Manchild · Oct 18, 2005, 07:26 AM // 07:26

well not good enough job to be worth a spot on you skill selection

pagansaint · Oct 18, 2005, 07:32 AM // 07:32

After that I ask myself if you even play BBoy.

E.Denial, even single target E.Denial is one of the best ways to shutdown a caster.

An AoE, non spell, thus unaffected by spellbreaker and obsidian flesh, E.Denial is garbage how?

Because you can't hit someone with it from half a radar away?

Or because its numbers only say 1-3 energy loss? (maxes out at 4 at 13/14 skill)

Without a recharge. Which means as fast as you can accumulate 4 adrenaline. Which at the worst, with a sword/axe toon is 5.32 seconds. At best, 2 seconds.

Yep, draining 4 energy every 2 seconds is garbage. That could be 8 energy every 2 using only 2 people running a Fear Me! build.

Thats definitely faster than a monk is regaining energy without some SERIOUS BiP or mass Channeling benefits.

Silent Wandarer · Oct 18, 2005, 07:38 AM // 07:38

whats the point when iway teams get killed in less then 1 min

Zebes · Oct 18, 2005, 10:46 AM // 10:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeru

I've never seen anyone besides us run Fear Me on IWAY, sadly enough. I sure hope at least some other teams were smart enough to do it though.

Zeru you got to know that TFA/SUX has been running fear me for a long ass time and that long ass time = quite awhile considering we were the original IWAY. At leat I think you should know that.

Erik The Fearless · Oct 18, 2005, 06:44 PM // 18:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ollj

theres millions of ways sto stop you from gaining adrenaline..
Sympathetic Visage and Soothing Images are so goddamn funny against newbie warriors.

Not as funny as blind + empathy, especially if they frezny :-)

Zeru · Oct 18, 2005, 09:37 PM // 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zebes

Zeru you got to know that TFA/SUX has been running fear me for a long ass time and that long ass time = quite awhile considering we were the original IWAY. At leat I think you should know that.

You want to know why you've used fear me in your modded IWAY?

Because I convinced your strategist/buildmaker to put it in :P When I first played with your IWAY you had some garbage build with Tigers Fury and no charge/interrupts.

Anyway I said 'I've never seen...' as I never played with/against sux with the better IWAY setup. So yeah nice try but no.

Quote:

well not good enough job to be worth a spot on you skill selection

Fear Me before the nerf was one of the best skills in the game without contest. Nerfing the range slightly does not make it useless at all. Not worth a skill slot=useless.

Quick math

Fear Me 3e- Using wand vs constant aegis with 7 warriors. Hits once every 3.5s. Under dark fury charges in 2 hits. About 18 pips, 24 if 4e. Under IWAY, 27/36 pips. That's with full aegis and using wands. Now imagine that under IWAY with constant charge speed buffs. Most teams die within a minute.

Frost_ · Oct 18, 2005, 09:47 PM // 21:47

you would have no damage and monks use channeling wich would cancle it out

nice try

pagansaint · Oct 18, 2005, 09:55 PM // 21:55

and no monks with channeling do no cancel it out, they can MAYBE get an additional 2-3 spells off. If there is no knockdowns/interrupts.

Thats if using a well coordinated Fear Me! IWAY build.

Eonwe · Oct 18, 2005, 10:00 PM // 22:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frost_

you would have no damage and monks use channeling wich would cancle it out

nice try

Haha, that's golden. You're trying to say channeling is going to make up for negative 27 pips of regen? Got logic?

Phades · Oct 18, 2005, 10:18 PM // 22:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frost_

you would have no damage and monks use channeling wich would cancle it out

nice try

Yeah a monk doing the renewal with divine spirit, while in a herd of enemies like that and having channeling active would make the old style ether renewal cry for normal skill use opposed sustained enchantments. This is considering the energy engine would be permenant until rended at least twice.

Innate regen of at least 1e per second with spells that cost 1e and at best are used once every second while gaining 7e per cast, yeah i think someone can swing that as it were.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeru

Fear Me 3e- Using wand vs constant aegis with 7 warriors. Hits once every 3.5s. Under dark fury charges in 2 hits. About 18 pips, 24 if 4e. Under IWAY, 27/36 pips. That's with full aegis and using wands. Now imagine that under IWAY with constant charge speed buffs. Most teams die within a minute.

It would take more than just ageis to keep 7 warrriors from making kills and wearing out the opponent. I dont have a doubt that fear me accentuates that situation, but when other things like shadow of fear and soothing images gets put out it basically cripples anything caught in the aoe as the attack speed becomes slower than basic attack speed even under a boost and no adrenalin gain rendering fury pointless. I just find it sad that people couldnt manage 3 skills across 2 characters that would really slow down a large chunk of the imbound melee damage. It can go further by assuming elemental means without considering conditions, but even catching 3-4 warriors like that would be enough to turn the tide in favor for the more diverse team setup.

Zebes · Oct 18, 2005, 11:35 PM // 23:35

Quote:

Because I convinced your strategist/buildmaker to put it in :P When I first played with your IWAY you had some garbage build with Tigers Fury and no charge/interrupts.

Eh the build wasn't garbage. It was rolling through everything as is, fear me helped it roll through ballups faster.

Signet of Humility · Oct 18, 2005, 11:58 PM // 23:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silent Wandarer

whats the point when iway teams get killed in less then 1 min

unless its a smart iway which are growing now
*cough valk*

Frost_ · Oct 19, 2005, 01:31 AM // 01:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eonwe

Haha, that's golden. You're trying to say channeling is going to make up for negative 27 pips of regen? Got logic?

lets do the math 5 warriors=5 energy a skill...word kiss orison reversal + you have your wards and stuff and im sure you can get a seed off in there somewhere

Signet of Humility · Oct 19, 2005, 01:35 AM // 01:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frost_

lets do the math 5 warriors=5 energy a skill...word kiss orison reversal + you have your wards and stuff and im sure you can get a seed off in there somewhere

hmm you didnt make ur point there
how can u reverse or counter 27 pips of regen?
with the skills u stated
even channelign couldnt get that much
channeling steals 1 energy per person per spell
and trust me
it doesnt work

Frost_ · Oct 19, 2005, 01:44 AM // 01:44

ok ok your build might work against your average monk, but it still wouldent take down the good teams

Signet of Humility · Oct 19, 2005, 01:47 AM // 01:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frost_

ok ok your build might work against your average monk, but it still wouldent take down the good teams

lol frosty

) gave up

to good teams

that build would be easy to counter
but to some noob groups
that would be devastating
depends on how u use it
if u use it right it will kill those monks / ball kind of groups dead energy

Man With No Name · Oct 19, 2005, 01:50 AM // 01:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frost_

ok ok your build might work against your average monk, but it still wouldent take down the good teams

oO Do you know what "Fear Me" is..?? Do you even know what a Warrior is..??

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frost_

lets do the math 5 warriors=5 energy a skill...word kiss orison reversal + you have your wards and stuff and im sure you can get a seed off in there somewhere

I don't even know what your talking about here..??

Just as an extremely basic example -- every 4 hits Fear Me will be charged -- you hit "Fear Me" -- everyone around you loses 3 energy -- with increased attack speed that would be -3 energy to everyone around the Warrior every three seconds or so -- a single Warrior can drain anything from -3 to -24 all on his own.

Multiply that across many Warriors and it'd be devastating -- I'd imagine a skilled team could deplete an Elementalists supply in a matter of seconds.

How can you even cast a spell with no energy..??

EDIT: Get the Gamecam/Fraps running IQ -- I wanna see IWAY in it's full glory